Workshop #264: Transient Glide by Mark Laukkanen
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Workshop #264: Transient Glide by Mark Laukkanen

This track has been submitted for your friendly, constructive criticism. What useful feedback can you give the artist? The floor is yours to talk about the track and how they can fix problems in and improve upon the mix and the song.

Description of the track:

This is my first “big” orchestral composition in that I’m actually utilizing each section of the orchestra. I haven’t done that before and thus would really appreciate feedback on how the song is orchestrated. Also feedback on anything else (composition itself, mixing, etc.) is highly appreciated.

This song features mainly EWQL Symphonic Orchestra Gold along with some NI Damage and Logic factory sounds.

Enjoy!

“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.”
- J.M. Barrie

Artist’s website: marklaukkanen.tumblr.com

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  • PoMo

    I think it’s a wonderful piece. One of the things that bugs me about orchestral or ‘cinematic’ pieces by digital composers is the inevitable ‘storm drum’, power moment or whatever. I liked the fact that this music is comfortable not being all drama and violence (not that there’s no place for that, I’m just bored of the cliche). I have no comments on the instrumentation (not qualified) but to say I was very impressed with the sounds from the EWQL library and will be looking at getting CCC some time when the pain from buying a new iMac wears off! Well done.

    • http://twitter.com/marklmusic Mark Laukkanen

      Thanks for the input PoMo! Highly appreciated :)

      And yes, going for EWQL Sample Librarys is a good route imo, I’ve been personally very satisfied with their products.

  • http://catholicservant.com Craig Berry

    Nice job Mark!

    Full disclosure: This isn’t my primary genre, but I was an assistant engineer on a few film scoring sessions and worked with a couple orchestral composers. So…take this feedback with a grain of salt.

    First, the good stuff.

    Instrumentation and arrangement sounds correct. In my mind, that’s got to be one of the toughest things about composing for an orchestra (i.e. knowing their pitch ranges, phrasing, etc.)

    Sonically, it’s well-balanced from low to high. This was helped by the arrangement.

    The patches sound terrific. I especially liked the strings and brass.

    Compositionally, it has a good flow and nice dynamics. Starts quiet, builds to a crescendo, and then the drop. The motif and primary melody were nice and emotive.

    Now, some criticism (probably just nit-picking…sorry)

    1. Not sure if I’d double the opening flute melody with the piano. Might be worth evaluating that flute on it’s own or the piano just supporting with chords.

    2. Transitions. Felt like the changes between the sections should be a bit stronger. Maybe (slightly) bump the cymbals in the mix?

    3. Fadeout was a bit abrupt.

    4. Reverb/room. It wasn’t bad, but I would’ve probably the whole mix into a slightly larger room with a bit more pre-delay and decay time. (that may take the edge off the abrupt ending of #3).

    5. The drums/percussion around 2:20 are sitting back too far in the mix.

    Terrific effort and results. You have a talent for this kind of composition. Keep honing your craft and I believe you’ll do well.

    Craig

    • http://twitter.com/marklmusic Mark Laukkanen

      Thanks Craig!

      Really appreciate the in-depth feedback. Just what I was looking for, especially the points of improvement at the end.

      Once again, thanks for taking the time to respond! :)

      Mark

  • screenwright

    This is very good overall. Very musical, and it has a strong mood. I do think you have a few opportunities, though.

    This is very similar to some pieces I have written that are orchestral but not traditionally “classical”. (Really I guess you would call them “Soundtrack” pieces.) I am not an expert at all and confess that I am 100% self-taught from books.

    The first thing that came to mind while listening to this is an old interview I saw with Michael Kamen. He was talking about his work with Pink Floyd or Metallica (I can’t remember which), and he talked about how you never want to give orchestras “block chords”, where they are just playing half notes and whole notes of first inversion chords. “Orchestras hate that.” As a composer/conductor, he was aware of this. I always keep this in mind. “Am I really just using the orchestra like a string pad here?”

    It feels to me that at times you have some of the “block chord” orchestra going on, where the parts are all just like a pad in the background playing half notes and whole notes as harmony to the melody. I think you could add some more movement in your non-melody parts. By that I mean, counter-melodies, ostinatos in the alto/tenor or more movement in the bass. Done well, you can have this kind of movement and not detract from the melody. (Kamen’s work on Pink Floyd’s “Comfortably Numb” is a great example of orchestral movement that complements the foreground melody without fighting it.)

    The other thing I would pay attention to is your voice leading/part writing. Think of each section in the orchestra (except percussion) as having a soprano, alto, tenor and bass (SATB) voice. Just as with writing four part harmony, you generally want to avoid parallel motion in your voices, because it can make your orchestration feel thin and weak. In particular, I noticed a few spots where your bass and soprano voice seemed to be moving in the same direction by the same interval. Sometimes it’s nearly impossible to avoid parallel motion, but adding more movement to your voices will give you many more options.

    You may do this already, but I always recommend that when writing big orchestral strings like this that you figure out the chord progression with a string pad (all voices). Once you have that, break it out based on how many players and parts you are trying to represent. If you have two viola lines, for example, load a new viola section patch and write a two note part with good voice leading that works with the rest of the string choir. Do the same for every part of every section. (This is exactly what a professional orchestrator does.)

    Finally, I would look for some reference materials on doubling. The orchestra is huge, but there are usually a limited number of parts being played and they are just doubled in different octaves on different instruments to achieve particular sounds. You can get creative with doubling, but there are also hundreds of years of classical tradition that have given us doubling combinations that work really well and sound good. It’s not cheap, but “The Technique of Orchestration” by Kent Kennan, Donald Grantham is an excellent reference for this. (It is my favorite orchestration reference.)

    Again, I am no expert, but these are some of the things I noticed and some of the solutions that I try to keep in mind as an amateur orchestrator. Hope something here is of use.

    • http://twitter.com/marklmusic Mark Laukkanen

      Hi Screenwright!

      I am extremely grateful for the time you took to write such a comprehensive feedback post. This is exactly the type of stuff I was looking for when I decided to submit the track here so thank you!

      Certainly a lot of useful stuff here for me to digest and work on, especially as a self-taught composer as yourself.

      • http://catholicservant.com Craig Berry

        Yes..great feedback @b82c43dc1befddd8559862f50f38c5d9:disqus !

        Voice leading and the dangers of parallel fifths/octaves is new territory for me, but I’ve been reading “Harmony and Composition: Basics to Intermediate” by Deborah Jamini and she covers this stuff like a blanket. Makes my head go numb, but I’m hoping some of it sinks in eventually. :)

      • screenwright

        Glad it was of some help. (Sometimes I think I’m rambling.)

        Modern popular music is not very concerned with things like voice leading, but it is a must for orchestral writing. I don’t have the rules memorized, but a good understanding of four part harmony can make almost any style of music better. Good voice leading and part writing in a synth pad, for example, can cut the mud better than EQ or make the sound richer than a chorus+delay+reverb in some instances.

        A lot of voice leading is about the perception of chords in context. A chord that sounds fine by itself can sound thin and weak (or too lush) in relation to the chords to either side of it. If I ever have a chord that sounds muddy or thin, I will usually check my voicing before trying to solve the issue with a plugin.

    • PoMo

      Wow, screenwright, what a great critique, loaded with suggestions, not just problems and without a massive look-at-me tone. I’d like to hear some of your work for more inspiration. Can you throw us any links?