Music Theory: Intervals, and How to Derive Them

Music Theory: Intervals, and How to Derive Them

Tutorial Details
  • Difficulty: Beginner
  • Time: 30 minutes
  • Requirements: Knowledge of key signatures and major scales
  • We're going to figure out how to come up with both the number and modifier of an interval.
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Joel Falconer wrote a great article on how to use your ear to detect intervals with song associations. In this article we’ll look at how you come up with those intervals in the first place.

Republished Tutorial

Every few weeks, we revisit some of our reader's favorite posts from throughout the history of the site. This tutorial was first published in March of 2010.

An interval is the distance between two notes, with the first note counted as 1. From C up to E is a major 3rd. From D to up G is a perfect 4th, and so on.

There are two parts to an interval: a modifier and a number. First let’s see how to figure out the number of an interval.


Interval Number

You find the number by counting up the letters from your first note to your last. So let’s say we wanted to find the number of the interval from C to A. Starting on C (counted as 1), we count up six letters (C D E F G A) to get to A, making C up to A an interval of a 6th.

Sharps and flats are not used when figuring out the number of an interval, only the distance between the letters. So if we wanted to go from Db to G we ignore the flat and count the letters. Starting with D we have D E F G. Four letters, making Db up to G an interval of a 4th (we’ll see what kind of 4th further down in the tutorial).

The name for an interval of 1 is unison. The name for an interval of 8 is octave. So two identical Cs played at the same time are considered in unison. A C played with the C above it is an octave.

Here are the interval numbers based off of C, from unison up to 13th:

Now that we know how to count the number of an interval, let’s look at how to figure out it’s modifier.


Modifiers

There are 5 possible modifiers of an interval: perfect, major, minor, diminished and augmented.

Perfect Intervals

Perfect intervals are used for unisons, 4ths, 5ths, and octaves. The best way to begin learning how to derive the perfect intervals is to think of the first note in the context of it’s related major scale. For example if your first note was Eb and you wanted to go up a perfect 4th, you would start on Eb and count up the notes in the Eb major scale, Eb F G Ab. A P4 above Eb is Ab.

Deriving a perfect 5th is the same process. Let’s say we’re starting on D. Count up 5 notes (with D as 1) in the D major scale and you land on A.

Major and Minor Intervals

The major and minor modifiers refer to intervals of a 2nd, 3rd, 6th and 7th. Again using your first note as if it is the 1 of a major scale, the major intervals are those that you’ll find by going up a 2nd, 3rd, 6th or 7th above that note. In other words C to E is a major third. Ab to F is a major 6th.

To change an interval from major to minor, you start with the major interval and then lower it by one half step. C to Db is a minor 2nd, C to Eb is a minor 3rd, C to Ab is a minor 6th, and C to Bb is a minor 7th.

Diminished and Augmented Intervals

A diminished interval (marked with a little circle º) is a half step lower than a minor or perfect interval. In real usage this usually only refers to a diminished 5th, in other words taking a Perfect 5th down a half step such as from C to Gb.

An augmented interval (notated with a +) is the opposite of diminished. You augment an interval by raising a major or perfect interval by half a step. An augmented 4th would be C to F#, an augmented 6th is C to A#. The most common augmented intervals are the 4th and 5th.

So remembering our interval of a 4th from earlier of Db to G, we can now see that it is an augmented 4th. How do I know that? Because a perfect 4th above Db is Gb (the 4th note up in the key of Db major). By raising the Gb up to a G we take it from Perfect up to Augmented.

Also note that the diminished 5th and augmented 4th are more commonly referred to as the interval of a tritone.

Let’s now look at the common intervals from anyone note up to any other note, using C and E as our example starting pitches. Make sure you are perfectly clear on every one of these intervals before moving on.


Inversions (Intervals Going Down)

So far we’ve looked at how to figure out an interval from one note up to another, but how about from one note down to another? One of the easiest ways to do this is to “invert” the interval you already know. Moving in towards the center: an 2nd up becomes a 7th down, a 3rd up becomes a 6th down, and a 4th up becomes a 5th down. Of course the reverse is also true: a 5th up becomes a 4th down, a 6th up becomes a 3rd down and a 7th up becomes a 2nd down.

A Major interval going up becomes a minor going down, and a minor interval going up becomes a major interval going down. Augmented intervals become diminished and vice versa. Perfect intervals remain perfect in either direction.

OK so what does that all mean? In other words, going up from C to Bb is a minor 7th. To figure out the interval from C down to Bb, we switch minor to major and invert the 7th to a 2nd. Going C down to Bb is thus a major 2nd.

As another example, Ab up to Db is a perfect 4th. To figure out Ab down to Db we leave the modifier of perfect as is, then invert the 4th to a 5th. We can then figure out that while Ab up to Db is a perfect 4th, Ab down to Db is a perfect 5th.

Use these two charts as a reference:

Going upGoing down
majorminor
minormajor
perfectperfect
augmenteddiminished
diminishedaugmented
Going upGoing down
unisonunison
2nd7th
3rd6th
4th5th
tritonetritone
5th4th
6th3rd
7th2nd
octaveoctave

Conclusion

Finally, it’s worth pointing out that although C to Ab (a minor 6th) and C to G# (an augmented 5th) may “sound” exactly the same, they should not be considered as identical. Their usage depends entirely on context. For now just remember that your number (2nd, 3rd, etc) comes from the number of letters from your first to your second note, and your modifier (major, minor, diminished, etc) comes from the actual distance between those two notes in relation to the major scale.

I highly recommend you visit Joel’s tutorial to begin to familiarize yourself with what the different intervals sound like, not just what they look like written out.

Understanding intervals is a basic but crucial step in your development as a musician. With a firm grasp of intervals under your belt you’ll be able to handle more advanced and rewarding topics such as chord tensions and counterpoint.

Although memorizing all of the intervals from any note to any other note may seem tedious and boring, the long term rewards of doing so are immeasurable.

Got a tip learning intervals or a question about how they’re derived? Leave a comment and open up the discussion.

  • http://chrizwig.com Christoffer

    This tutorial was very helpful! Thanks!

  • http://adeeb.org/ aDeeb

    Great tutorial.
    More like this wanted on topics like Modes, Scales, etc.

  • Sean

    Is it just me or did you guys change this site and make it wider? LOL Sorry

    Great tutorial! I wish I had this one when I first got into music.

    • http://adriantry.com Adrian Try

      Hi Sean

      It’s not just you – the site has had a makeover, and has a brand new theme and new features.

      I hope you like it!

      Adrian

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  • http://www.indabamusic.com/people/deliciousdave Jufro Dave

    Eb Dorian (natrual minor – b3rd, b6th, b7th) is spelled:

    Eb, F, Gb, Ab, Bb, Cb, Db, Eb

    so for those who dont already know, yes, there is such thing as Cb. And B#, and E# and Fb.

    because you wouldnt want write Eb, F, Gb, Ab, Bb, B, Db, Eb

    • http://ryanleach.com Ryan Leach Leach
      Author

      Very true, odd as it may seem Cb is the right way to write the b6 of an Eb scale. Many beginning students get confused by that early on.

      Be careful though, the Dorian mode has a natural 6. Eb Dorian is Eb F Gb Ab Bb C Db Eb

      The Aeolian mode corresponds to the natural minor with b3 b6 and b7, so the scale
      Eb F Gb Ab Bb Cb Db Eb is actually Eb Aeolian, not Dorian.

  • Dean

    I’m confused on one point. In order to know whether an interval goes up or down, we have to know which note is the root note, out of 2 notes.

    How does one find out which note is the root?

    Dean.

    • http://ryanleach.com Ryan Leach
      Author

      @Dean If you are just looking for the name of the interval between two notes, it doesn’t really matter which one you call the “root”. This is not the same and as and is unrelated to the “root” of a chord or triad.

      To know whether an interval goes up or down, you just have to know whether the second note is higher or lower than the first note. ie. If the second note is higher than the first, the interval went up.

      • Dean

        What if they’re played at the same time?

      • http://ryanleach.com Ryan Leach
        Author

        @Dean If there are two notes playing at the same time, consider the lower note the root

  • Davi

    We just had a lecture on this at school and i didn’t understand it one bit, but this really helped. Thanks alot!!!

  • http://www.obiwandk.com leif

    hey been reading all your tutorials on composing skills and theory
    and must say i really enjoyed em

  • Joy

    Thank you Ryan for the tutorial…I like the way you´ve explained everything. My question…I can figure out any of the intervals derived from the key (example: Key of Eb – interval Eb to G – Major 3rd…I think). But, what if I´m trying to identify an interval in a song and it is in the Key of Eb but the interval is a G to an Bb. Do I read the modifier in relation to the key I´m in (Eb) or because it is a G to a Bb, I would decide the modifier from the scale of G?

    Not sure if that will make sense…but it is something that I´m trying to understand.
    Thanks,
    Joy

    • http://ryanleach.com Ryan Leach
      Author

      Hey Joy,

      The interval of G to Bb is the same no matter what key you are in. The important information is the distance from G to Bb. Doesn’t matter if you are in the key of Eb, C minor, B# major, whatever. The only things that matter are the notes G and Bb.

      G to Bb is *always* a minor third.

      Let me know if that answers your question, or I’d be happy to explain from a different angle if I’m being confusing!

      Ryan

      • http://www.facebook.com/sean.vandenbrink Sean VandenBrink

        Uh, is G down to Bb not a major 6th?

  • Luiz Fernando

    Thanks again! This is article is clear to me.

  • joseph deke

    hi,for me i do not understand anything in intervals.
    what does it mean that going up and going down .
    please i would like to know more about intervals

  • Steve

    Great article, finally understand how we arrive at the names of the different intervals. many thanks Ryan