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Quick Tip: When Your Reverb is Too Wet… Duck!

Quick Tip: When Your Reverb is Too Wet… Duck!

Tutorial Details
  • Difficulty: Intermediate
  • Time: 10 minutes
  • Requirements: Logic Pro or other DAW
This entry is part 9 of 13 in the Masterful Reverb: Everything You Need to Know Session
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Here is a cool trick I just used while trying to get a massive clap sound while still keeping it centered and focused. I’m sure it has been done before as it seems fairly obvious when it is all said and done, but I don’t remember reading or hearing about it elsewhere (selective memory can be crucial in garnering personal feelings of discovery ;), so it is at least a lesser known trick that you may not have thought of and one I can share with you here.


The Set Up

Obviously, this works on all types of material, but we’ll stick with the clap for this tut.

The first thing I did was load up the ESX Sampler with some clap samples and programmed in a groove.

Next, I slapped an enveloper on it to cut out most of the ambiance tail of the samples and dry out the sound as I am going to create my own space later on and don’t want to get into the ‘reverb of a reverb’ problem (creating a new space around an already recorded space, etc.).


The enveloper.

Obviously to get a massive sound, I need a massive reverb, so I put the space designer directly on the channel to try out a few settings.


The reverb.

The Solution

Of course this is okay to leave as is if you find you are happy with it. However, moving the reverb to a separate aux. track is always preferred as it allows for further treatment of the reverb down the road without affecting the dry signal.

After playing around with the reverb settings I still am unable to find an acceptable way of gaining the focus I want on the clap while still making it sound massive. One clap bleeds into the next and into the next etc. and is creating an altogether far too dense and soupy sound.

The solution to this problem is to side chain compress and duck the reverb with the dry clap acting as the input. To do this, I simply create another aux. track, send the clap to it and set it to ‘no output’. On the reverb track, I place a compressor, set the side chain input to the ‘silent clap’ and turn the compressor to ‘peak detection’.


The routing.

Already, things are sounding much better. You can really hear the difference at the initial hit where the claps are closer together. The initial hit is focused and dry while in the previous example it is not.

The great thing about this trick is the amount of control you gain over the early and late reflections of the reverb through use of the attack and release times of the compressor. The attack controls the onset of the early reflections. The closer to zero, the more early reflections are squashed by the compressor and the initial hit becomes more dry.

The release time controls the point at which the late reflections begin. The closer to zero, the late reflections will kick back in at full strength closer to the end of the initial hit.

With use of this trick you can really carve out a decent amount of space from your reverb and keep things both clear and washed out at the same time (have your cake and eat it too).


The compressor.

The EQ.

The final output with adjusted compressor settings and a band pass EQ to tighten up the lows and darken/create more depth on the sound.

  • XPreNN

    Thanks for this tutorial, it’s really helpful. I love these little tricks, they are not only great to make your sound better, they also help beginners find their way in a DAW.

  • Daniel

    Great tip! Creating separate aux mixes for effects in Reason is a bit problematic (I use version 4 to finish a track at the moment). Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the same effect achievable by using the Predelay setting on Reason’s RV7000?

  • Will

    Not really…The problem here was that the reverb tails were bleeding into the following claps. With this trick, you are able to duck the already existing reverb tail to get a dry sounding clap later on.

    Basically, predelay affects the reverb associated with that particular event. This trick controls the reverb of the previous event(s).

    Glad you guys found it helpful btw.

  • http://www.soulsanctuarymusic.com Soul Sanctuary

    It’s funny I’ve never really needed to do this even after 10 or more years of producing, It was well explained in this tut, so I might give it ago just for fun. :)

    Cheers

  • http://soundcloud.com/flexstyle Flexstyle

    I’ve done something similar to this before, but not precisely so. This seems like it’ll be a really useful trick, particularly when mixing electronic music. Good stuff, thanks for the post!

  • Khaled

    Thank you, Sir. That’s useful :)

  • Ivan

    I think you don’t need to send your clap to a 2nd aux, because aux sends, pre or post faders, are post inserts… So if you want your dry clap to be the source of the side chain, you have two options:

    Duplicate the clap track and remove your inserts. This new duplicated one will be the source of the side chain.

    Or having a channel with no inserts set to “no output”, and send to aux channels from there…

    Could someone tell me if I am right or wrong ?

    However, thanks for the tip ! ;)

  • Will

    I’m not sure about other DAWs, but in Logic you can not set an instrument track as a sidechain source. Also, you would not want to duplicate an instrument unnecessarily as that will tax the cpu.

    Hope that helps.

  • Ivan

    Oh damn ! You’re right. We can’t sidechain any Instrument track ! So that’s why you created this “Silent Clap”… I understand it now ! ;)

  • http://www.reubenchng.com Reuben

    Genius! Great easy way to control reverb head and tail. Thanks!

  • EDGEK8D

    I like it. I am going to try this on some one-shot FX. This seems like a great way to get something, that is in the background with the verb and all, to really cut through the mix and get noticed. I’m a huge fan of clap. I use it too much. I”m creating a clap bank in Ultrabeat because they seem to have a bank for everything else. I find myself sifting through the kits all the time and writing down the ones I like on sticky-notes.